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how's it going everybody welcome back to

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the channel it's good to uh it's good to

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be here um i've been looking forward to

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this one so as some of you may be aware

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gary nolan was

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originally due to join me for my science

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panel that i hosted um

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last week sometime which which was great

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but you know these things don't always

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pan out so gary graciously agreed to

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give me a one-on-one interview

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and here we are so let's jump straight

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into it guys let's bring in my guest for

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the day

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gary nolan gary thank you so much for

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being here

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hello everybody

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yeah um i thought i'd love to kickstart

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this off just to get your initial

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thoughts on the recent congressional

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hearings

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and what you thought of them

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well i thought they were remarkable

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despite the fact that um

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you know uh an alien didn't materialize

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on the congressional floor for everybody

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you know

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the fact that

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people were

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asking these questions in a public forum

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at that level of government

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i mean it really is a first time i mean

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people will tell me it happened 40 years

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ago et cetera but at least in

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in uh living memory uh it is a first

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time where you saw

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such incredibly well thought out

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questions

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for the people uh the two dod uh

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representatives

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um first of all

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there was a because there was the social

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media aspect of it there was very quick

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reaction to the things that were being

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and as well you could just see it on the

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faces of the of the congress people they

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were you could just see it you could

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read their minds they were saying you're

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lying to us

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we can we can see you dancing around the

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questions

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and the reaction that several of them

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had afterwards in response to uh

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reporters and things was exactly what

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you would want

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basically was we're calling [\h__\h]

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yeah we're not gonna let you get away

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with this and if you think is this is

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the last time we're going to be asking

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questions you've got another thing

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and you know i already know that there

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are additional hearings coming you know

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when they will happen

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uh not quite sure but probably within

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um on the senate side and as well

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probably a follow-up congressional one

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so to me that's exciting and it's a it's

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a sea change

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live in the let's say the so-called

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disclosure world

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um are wondering why

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you know the whole world isn't on fire

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about these announcements

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and i think the answer is twofold one

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there has been enough of a slow drip

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over the years that people are

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accommodating themselves to you know the

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fact you know you ask a lot of people

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they go well of course

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it's here

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been pointing out is if it if it doesn't

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change your life

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uh in a moment-to-moment basis it

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doesn't affect the cost of fuel and the

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you know what you're putting on your

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table and who's going to pick up the

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you know it's just another fact of life

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you know and so it really will only

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communication i would argue that what

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we're seeing is communication right now

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inference comes from understanding how

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these things are operating right or if

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frankly we get a hold of some of the

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actual pieces of the technology and

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can either one prove that it is

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not of human origin

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one of these objects that we can

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that allows us to do something we

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that's my take on it that's great no i

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like the fact because a lot of people

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really were disappointed and they felt

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we're just either lying or holding back

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or just really sort of gatekeeping the

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information further but i saw a lot of

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positives from it

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were gatekeeping or necessarily lying i

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think that what it proved was that they

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were completely not read in to the facts

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something is to put people out in front

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who know nothing

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lot of people have been discussing is

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this word amnesty which i know that you

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were more happy using the term immunity

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so do you feel like that is something

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that will be coming do you know if it's

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happening or not well i know it's

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happening for sure um it's 100 happening

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it's it's i'm speaking to some people

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about it on the inside and the the

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wording is you know in the 80

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90 done point you know i mean i

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i only i was only picking on the words

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immunity versus amnesty because from a

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legal standpoint it does have a

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forms of immunity um but from a legal

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you do want to use the word immunity

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maybe i should come forward

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and then i talk to my lawyer

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right or i'm i'm the person and i talk

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to my lawyer and my and i say well

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they're offering amnesty and my lawyer

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will if they're worth the money i'm

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paying them

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uh tell me that well you don't want

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amnesty you want immunity because you

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want you know you want predestined

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lack of liability sure um so i mean

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that's the only reason for using the

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word because if you use the word amnesty

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their lawyer tells them well you don't

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lot of back and forth that's unnecessary

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um now i'd like to just take it back a

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few years and i i

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say this or not but what was your

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relationship to the atip programme and i

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mean atip under the pentagon with louis

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zondo were you associated with them at

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all over the years i mean i was so lou

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probably knew about me long before i

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knew about lou right um you know because

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lou was deeply involved all the way

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across and i'm not going to get into the

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details of

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of that because there's people picking

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apart the words in ways that

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you know are just frankly stupid um

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nine and there are a few points on there

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what's on it i i do i could bring it up

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i'll announce a video bear with me sorry

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i should have been prepared i wrote them

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down but i guess it's always good to uh

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that is about i mean if it if it's meant

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that these objects appear to be

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consciously moved then that might be it

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but other than that i don't know

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okay oops i just had it this is it here

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ah bear with me

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the next one i wanted to mention is

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something as well that you may have come

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across is i'm gonna stop sharing for a

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minute bear with me sorry

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i wasn't prepared for that

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the alteration and manipulation of

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biological organisms in with i guess

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that's relating to uap but have you come

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across any manipulation or alterations

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alteration or manipulation does that are

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people i guess it's such a broad term it

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when i've been involved in let's say

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post facto analysis of a of an event

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of some kind

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um you know we bring in trained

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observers we brought in a trained

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observer

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and sometimes even a trained

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psychiatrist psychologist

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um

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to listen to the

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you know the let's say the experience or

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the witness

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um

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for basically

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you know looking for those emotional

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body cues that are either one telling

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you that they're hoaxing it sure um

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that's usually your first concern

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or two

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uh you know picking up on their anxiety

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you know their anxiety ticks that you

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can see

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which can be indicative of of a truth

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right um obviously we don't have these

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people hooked up to lie detectors

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uh anything like that

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um but uh

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it's um

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you know it's it's important that you

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don't just take people and what they say

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at their word

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um

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especially if you're talking about

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something that is uh

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is you know maybe

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more an interpretation of an observation

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than the observation itself

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this is my caa handler here

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i think it's become quite the famous dog

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um one thing i did want to mention as

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well is in these uh studies that you've

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done of people and maybe yourself and

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your colleagues where

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delta theta and alpha brainwaves ever

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factored in to what they look like maybe

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before or or further down the line

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no that's never been that's never been

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done that requires very specific

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equipment to measure correctly you know

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i'm not going to just buy something off

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of amazon to do that kind of

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stuff

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um you know because

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the devil's in the details and you want

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the kind of equipment that will give you

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uh detailed analysis and you know i i

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mean how unless everybody's running

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around with those things on their heads

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how are you going to know when the

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stuff's going to show up

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and of course the the biggest problem

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with the let's say the so-called science

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of

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this stuff is that it is

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although it's reproducible it's not

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reproducible on demand yeah

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and so you can't necessarily have all of

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the materials uh

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at the ready for this

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um you certainly don't have it before

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you don't have it aft during

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and you're lucky if you can get it after

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um and after is

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you know within a time frame that

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you know whatever happened is still

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you know

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it there

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yeah it was the same problem that i had

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when they asked me to study the blood

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of these people

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with the the instrument that my lab had

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developed

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um

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that uh you know in some cases it was

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years after the event

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and so there's just you know it just

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there just wasn't going to be a

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signature

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yeah you know unless it was like totally

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drastic and and we

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and of the analysis we did we never saw

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anything like that

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right that couldn't be explained by just

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the normal noise of human variation

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i see right yeah what about the immune

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system because obviously that plays such

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an important part and it's almost

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separate or i've heard it suggested that

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it's kind of separate from the brain it

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has its own

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brain it remembers everything the body's

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dealt with throughout its life is that

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um

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come into the research at all well that

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was really what i was saying is that

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what we were looking for was some sort

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of uh um

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of a change

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that you would expect from normal you

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know i mean what is normal is a huge

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problem in and of itself you know

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because

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much of your immune system frankly can

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depend on everything from what you last

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got infected with

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to

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you know what you ate this morning you

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know and is it allergy season or not i

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mean the

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the the subtle the subtle memory that is

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probably the best indicator of long-term

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effects

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are the b cells in the t cells

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okay um

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and uh you know they encode

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into proteins literally the memory of

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the

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covid vaccine is about it's giving

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people a shape that looks like

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what covet is and therefore you remember

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it um

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but

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what my lab is known for

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is what's called systems immunology

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that

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the memory of an event is not just those

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specific things

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but the network of interactions of cells

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and the correlations across the numbers

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of cells and their activation states

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that are actually

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sort of a

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a a broader memory system

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uh it's uh

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sort of the shape of the web

430
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uh is the memory that i was looking

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for but uh we could see no signature

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that um

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that tel that told us anything

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worthwhile i you know you really need

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something almost immediately after

436
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um you know but then of course

437
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you need before

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and

439
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the only thing that you can really do

440
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with somebody's before

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is rely upon

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you know 300 normals and say well this

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is most likely what the before looked

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like

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and now they are significantly deviated

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from

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the before of most normals

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yeah

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that makes sense

450
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it does absolutely and i guess sometimes

451
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when you're limited on on that you have

452
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to draw conclusions like you say from

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possibilities and that and what would

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you say is the most standout results or

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even strange result you've come across

456
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during your studies when it comes to uap

457
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it's you know it's it's more an

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inference than a than a result per se

459
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and this is the cognate petainment thing

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right

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i'll i'll try again to make sure people

462
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don't misunderstand what i'm saying

463
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um

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it was

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a side observation

466
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that amongst the people who were damaged

467
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that cohort of individuals had this

468
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caudate pataman

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um

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phenomenon of the increased density of

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neural connections

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and it's it was not saying that the

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observations or the experience caused it

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it was really saying that

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the people who came forward

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were more likely to have it

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than not

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um well above background levels of

479
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people who have it one in 200 now

480
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whether that is

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what you would call cohort bias meaning

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it's just people who go into this these

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areas of let's say high functioning

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um areas are more likely to have it

485
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or whether they are more likely to see

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something

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because

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they can recognize something for what it

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is and not just think it's part of the

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background

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you know uh i don't know but

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i use the example of the um you know in

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psychology class

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you know people you're showing a video

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and told to watch the person playing the

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bass playing with the basketball and

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count how many times it goes and then

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the gorilla walks across

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don't see it and you know i failed that

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test as i say

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um i was completely disbelieving that

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they had i thought they were fibbing but

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um

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it's uh

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you know i think it's an element of that

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that people

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won't necessarily see it because it

508
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somehow doesn't stand out as obvious

509
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uh

510
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you know maybe it's kind of like you

511
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know you're you're

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it's called the mirror test for animals

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right can the animal recognize that it's

514
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itself in the mirror right

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or that it's actually seeing anything in

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the mirror

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um or not and there's a sort of a level

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of intelligence and i'm sorry i'm just

519
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gonna i'm gonna make the hypothesis that

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people

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with this

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feature

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are just seem to be more likely to be

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intelligent

525
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right or at least a kind of intelligence

526
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you know it's a form of intelligence

527
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now when it comes to like different

528
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theories of consciousness some people

529
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think that it's emergent others think

530
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that it's like just fundamental which

531
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way would you lean more towards

532
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well i i i sorry if i sound like i'm

533
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straddling the fence i think it's both i

534
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mean i think

535
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consciousness is fundamental

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but that

537
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um consciousness needs to be organized

538
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and so

539
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it is emergent because the brain

540
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puts together matter

541
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in a way that organizes the fundamental

542
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units of consciousness into something

543
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which is self-aware

544
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is how i would

545
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position it

546
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um

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there's a

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physicist i've spoken about before

549
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um

550
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where is his

551
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document i think his name is burkhart

552
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heim

553
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:25,280
um german physicist and uh you know he

554
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basically has a let's say a theory of

555
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uh

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of

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space-time

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uh

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sort of a a

560
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unifying uh

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set of equations

562
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that basically says you know one of the

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outcomes of

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his way that he thinks the universe is

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organized could at a certain level of

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the brain

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certain shape etc by virtue of that

568
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shape and electrical impulses etc that

569
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instantiates

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an object

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which he basically says is

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both self-aware

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and independent of the underlying thing

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it's kind of like some you know

575
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uh

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make in the laboratory

577
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and you know

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the technical help says no don't do it

579
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don't do it he pulls a switch and you

580
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,679
know

581
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,240
because they've created something that

582
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,799
is you know runs amok

583
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:38,480
you know so i think frankly that that's

584
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,760
a little bit of what's going on with

585
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,960
consciousness

586
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,799
i i don't

587
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,640
think personally

588
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:47,200
that you can explain it by just

589
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:50,559
consciousness by just the

590
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,000
the neurons firing in the brain it's not

591
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,720
all here there's something that is it's

592
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,720
organizing something behind the scenes i

593
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,520
think

594
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,840
do i have any proof of that no

595
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,679
it's just a hypothesis and it's much

596
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:06,000
more fun

597
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,720
think that the world is a bigger thing

598
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:13,280
than what's currently

599
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,480
explained and because

600
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,559
the material side of things does not

601
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,799
appear to explain it

602
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,280
you have to consider

603
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,360
alternative

604
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,960
explanations

605
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,400
it doesn't mean you have to go all the

606
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:29,919
way to the woo

607
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,200
to explain it but it needs to be part of

608
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,880
the solution set

609
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:36,240
because you don't want to take something

610
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,360
off the table that might be the

611
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,280
explanation because you could be staring

612
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,600
at the answer right in your face

613
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,600
and you're you're busy trying to prove

614
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,240
everything else except the truth

615
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,480
yeah absolutely i completely agree now

616
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,840
when it comes to consciousness as well

617
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,159
people often talk about things like ce5

618
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,159
and that they can actually contact these

619
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,480
beings or craft to come in and and show

620
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,880
themselves but could it be possible that

621
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,039
uap and whatever it represents is just

622
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,120
omnipresent it's always around us and

623
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,720
just every now and again it blinks in

624
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,039
and it it's maybe right place at the

625
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,080
right time more than oh i did that

626
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,520
well i think it is i mean and it

627
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,640
obviously if you're looking for

628
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,200
something you know then

629
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,120
it's more likely to be observed because

630
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,960
you're looking for it i mean

631
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,559
i i walk through the forest and i don't

632
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,240
see a lot of birds but if i was a bird

633
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,720
watcher i might notice you know i might

634
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,640
be able to tick things off in my list of

635
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,799
birds i want to have seen

636
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,159
you know if i'm looking for it if i'm

637
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,480
looking for it it might be there

638
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,760
you know

639
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,400
if i'm calling for it

640
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,120
maybe that's something that

641
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,799
shows up as well

642
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,320
more likely

643
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,080
yeah it's a good way of looking at it i

644
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,279
i you know i'm i i've never done a ce5 i

645
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,600
have lots of friends who claim that it

646
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,720
works

647
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:51,760
um

648
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,840
up into the santa cruz mountains once

649
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,120
with a friend of a friend actually a

650
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,679
friend of jacques vales um

651
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,120
and um

652
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,679
he was a had been actually a doctor at

653
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,600
stanford for a while

654
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,080
um and he lives up in a cabin up in the

655
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,840
santa cruz mountains deep into the

656
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,440
forest up there i didn't even know it

657
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,039
was it was

658
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,799
in the amazon rainforest

659
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:15,760
you know

660
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,559
um and we did basically sit out one

661
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:20,559
night um

662
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:24,159
with uh base with uh binoculars and

663
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,440
and whatnot

664
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,000
and there were some strange

665
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,200
objects moving around um

666
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,720
that i

667
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,200
was like that's odd you know it but it

668
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:36,880
was

669
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,200
to make some things happen

670
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,720
that's interesting and that's the one

671
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,400
thing that i really

672
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,400
i struggle with when it comes to ce5 is

673
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,000
that these things if they appear for

674
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,919
people they only seem to appear at a

675
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,320
distance and

676
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,559
i find that why can't we just have one

677
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,480
where oh it came right up to me maybe it

678
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,000
has and yeah

679
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,400
i just maybe need a rule right maybe

680
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,400
they have protocols on their side that

681
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:10,320
say you know

682
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,279
you know the

683
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,279
i mean let's say that the the protocol

684
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,400
is

685
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,679
um

686
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,679
don't give them the evidence that they

687
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,840
can use to show to others

688
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,679
only give them the evidence that can

689
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,400
that can convince them

690
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:25,919
yeah the observer

691
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,840
and maybe it's all about

692
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,440
self-realization and not

693
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,799
something you can put on the front page

694
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,799
of the new york times

695
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,480
you know but i also

696
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,159
you know i think people are looking for

697
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,360
a one-size-fits-all answer as if it's

698
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,039
just one thing

699
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,120
i i you know it's

700
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,720
it might be that this is many things

701
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,360
yeah and that what the navy pilots are

702
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,720
seeing

703
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,880
is very different than the other things

704
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,480
that people see

705
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,000
and i've been going back and forth with

706
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,000
someone here in california

707
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:02,240
uh trying to get

708
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,679
um

709
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,600
down to where

710
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,799
he lives

711
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,840
uh because he has one of

712
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:11,279
these situations where they see

713
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,320
something

714
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,720
multiple times

715
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,159
and it's one of these things that has

716
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:18,400
that drops material

717
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,919
and he sees

718
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,400
certain movement patterns that occur

719
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,799
right before it drops material in this

720
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,880
case the material is a metal

721
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,760
come on

722
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,320
and i'm actually trying to get jacques

723
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,960
uh i i want to bring jacques

724
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,320
to the

725
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:37,760
situation

726
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,640
because he has

727
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,039
i quote sort of a sherlock holmes

728
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,360
approach to seeing things and asking

729
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,480
questions

730
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,679
that but it needs to be on site you know

731
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,720
to grok and gestalt the

732
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,400
the you know

733
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,720
the witness and the situation i mean

734
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,000
that's sorry to interrupt that sounds

735
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,240
much like the council bluffs iowa case

736
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,559
it is no and that's what i i've you know

737
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,200
i've said a couple of times that

738
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,440
there's several of these and i've you

739
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,200
know i mean there are several historical

740
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,840
ones and then there's one that is still

741
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,440
ongoing

742
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,400
and

743
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,159
um

744
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,720
that's about as reproducible

745
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,200
a situation as i could ever hope for and

746
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,440
it's right in my backyard

747
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:25,679
um and that's the recent case

748
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,720
yeah yeah it's still it's still ongoing

749
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,600
um

750
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,440
and so uh

751
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,880
you know if it

752
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,039
i'll go spend the weekend

753
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,840
uh looking into it

754
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,919
um you know it's kind it'll be a fun a

755
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,279
fun trip

756
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,520
yeah absolutely that's fascinating that

757
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,200
there's a recent one that's almost

758
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,039
similar and with regards to the council

759
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,279
bluffs is that still being analyzed the

760
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,039
materials from that one because i know

761
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,559
jacques looked at it or has that kind of

762
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,640
been done now i mean it's done i mean

763
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:56,720
it's done to at least my satisfaction

764
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,750
well it's

765
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,520
it's done in

766
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,520
there was there was a singular point

767
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,679
about publishing that paper

768
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,440
and that was showing people that you

769
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,279
could put stuff through a real peer

770
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:13,600
review

771
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,640
and

772
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,600
as much as i appreciate that there are

773
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,679
journals out there that

774
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,159
deal with the you know the let's say the

775
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,919
paranormal or

776
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:24,960
the

777
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,399
research and

778
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,840
and hopefully that will get the kind of

779
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,679
respect i think it deserves

780
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:34,640
but

781
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,510
that occurs before they get the kind of

782
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:41,360
respect that they deserve

783
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,480
um

784
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,080
the fact that you can publish something

785
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,320
in a mainstream journal

786
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,840
uh

787
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:49,440
was important

788
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,320
uh

789
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,960
and it wasn't just an opinion piece

790
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,600
it was a a study because you can report

791
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,919
you can get an opinion piecing anywhere

792
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,720
um

793
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,919
and so

794
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,360
it was really to show people that it can

795
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,919
be done and here was kind of a a a

796
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,520
pipeline or a

797
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,159
template of how to do it now i do think

798
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,720
that there's more that can be done on it

799
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,799
um you know deeper analysis i mean we

800
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,679
did

801
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,200
i mean

802
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,679
frankly we did an embarrassingly

803
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,640
uh

804
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:19,760
you know

805
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,200
low level analysis of the materials

806
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,840
um and i'll underscore the fact that

807
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,000
this stuff is it's expensive to do

808
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:30,960
you know unless you have a materials

809
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,919
analysis laboratory

810
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,200
getting somebody to help you do the

811
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,120
study you know

812
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,279
renting the equipment time

813
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,360
doing the analysis afterwards it's

814
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,880
somebody's time

815
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,039
right it's my time frankly

816
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,440
you know and um

817
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,080
it's uh you know so far so

818
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,720
you know you're you're talking

819
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,720
you're talking a laboratory

820
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,559
with about probably five to ten million

821
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,640
dollars worth of equipment

822
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,799
and so because you need like ten

823
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,720
different kinds of instruments now there

824
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,240
are laboratories like that exit that

825
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,480
exist and you can rent time on them

826
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,799
uh but you're you know for a full and

827
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,240
detailed analysis you're probably going

828
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,360
to spend about a hundred thousand

829
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,840
dollars per

830
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,559
per

831
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:16,720
detail to to give

832
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,520
a metallurgist or materials analysis

833
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,760
person the kind of data that will

834
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,080
satisfy them yeah

835
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,760
that's right yeah i mean that makes a

836
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:27,360
lot of sense why it's not just thrown

837
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,159
around

838
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,399
here and everywhere so yeah uh now i

839
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:31,919
know initially we said 30 minutes i've

840
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,640
just got a few uh follower questions

841
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,640
from the chat as well if you don't mind

842
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,600
um

843
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,440
first one from dolan's bar

844
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,080
and do we know if more uap are

845
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,240
originating from the oceans or the outer

846
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,110
gosh i don't know that there's been a um

847
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:53,039
enough of a statistical analysis i mean

848
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,480
who's going to collect that kind of

849
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:56,320
information except

850
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,679
people on the ocean um you know and the

851
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,080
people most likely to see it

852
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,679
are the navy

853
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:04,399
and

854
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,039
the the usos let's say um

855
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,640
you know observation of something moving

856
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,159
underwater

857
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:16,880
is as as what i found it appears to be a

858
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,840
little bit more classified

859
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,279
in terms of it's harder to get

860
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,840
information out from people

861
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,880
um

862
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,880
because you know i think we just don't

863
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:28,399
want people to know where our submarines

864
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,279
are

865
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,360
or what they're capable of that makes

866
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,320
sense absolutely um you know but i mean

867
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,840
just look at the announcement today from

868
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,960
nasa

869
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:39,360
yeah saying that

870
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,159
they're

871
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,519
entering the fray in a positive sense

872
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,440
so you know you put that kind of data

873
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,120
together with

874
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,880
what um

875
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,159
avi loeb

876
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,640
is doing and his you know he's got quite

877
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,640
a network of individuals

878
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,600
who are on the ready once data becomes

879
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,640
available to help analyze it um

880
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,960
so you know i i

881
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,799
i think it's exciting times to be living

882
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,240
in uh

883
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:08,080
is it moving as fast as we would want or

884
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,519
is it gonna snap your fingers and

885
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,720
everything

886
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,960
happens no but

887
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:15,919
you know more than i ever dreamed of

888
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,720
yeah

889
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:18,080
absolutely

890
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,600
um moving on to a question here from

891
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:22,080
lara she says uh has mr nolan's study

892
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:23,519
looked at the changes in the pineal

893
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,159
gland of experiences and if so what has

894
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:27,760
he found

895
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:28,399
no

896
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,120
what would you measure

897
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,440
uh the pineal gland releases hormones so

898
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,519
you'd have to have a hormone test you

899
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,640
know for

900
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,360
for that there's no um

901
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,600
size changes that we've

902
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,080
looked at but the pineal gland is

903
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,799
upstream of functions

904
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,640
involved with what the

905
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,559
caudate putamen does so it does release

906
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,679
hormones that change the function of the

907
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,880
of that

908
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,480
you know what what we've primarily been

909
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,440
looking at now and this is a sort of a

910
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,919
follow-on study with a group at harvard

911
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,080
and you can find the the paper that

912
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:07,679
we've already published on it

913
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,200
um is that we've been collecting the

914
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,200
you know look the size variation of

915
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,000
individuals and correlating it to either

916
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,559
psychological or pathological or

917
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,960
physiological states and we're finding

918
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,519
remarkable correlations between the

919
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:25,360
presence or absence of certain features

920
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,080
or

921
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,799
it's called

922
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,440
network correlations in the brain

923
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,720
much like i talked about network

924
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,480
correlations in the immune system is the

925
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,200
network does the does the thinking not

926
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,360
the individual pieces

927
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,559
um

928
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,720
that relate to function

929
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,600
what

930
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,080
that individual i think is really asking

931
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,600
for is what's called a functional mri

932
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,320
or where you would do functional mri

933
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,120
along with brainwave alpha beta gamma

934
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,640
etc

935
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,159
uh

936
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,480
and um

937
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,960
you know that

938
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,440
that would tell you something about

939
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,720
you know and then you then you of course

940
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,840
you'd want to be looking at hormone

941
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,919
levels and stuff like that so you know

942
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,800
taking

943
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,079
blood

944
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,800
uh tests uh

945
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,240
that would be what would be necessary

946
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,159
but i would do that with somebody who is

947
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,839
let's say uh

948
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,399
let's call them an on-call experiencer

949
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,879
um a medium of some sort

950
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,960
right oh you mentioned mediums there and

951
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,240
i know that there was a conversation you

952
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,679
were talking about the

953
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,000
celebrity medium tyler henry

954
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,520
on twitter is that something you would

955
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:35,119
actually like to analyze and look into

956
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,159
further

957
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,720
yeah i mean i i think he's an ex he's an

958
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:39,760
extreme

959
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,079
case of uh of somebody with

960
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,240
something i don't know what it is and

961
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,960
i'm just being careful i i

962
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,520
i i don't doubt anything about how

963
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,359
people are interpreting it but he

964
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,119
definitely has

965
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,160
some capability to pick up information

966
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,079
from the ether however you want to

967
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,560
define that either in the real or in the

968
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,920
extra real

969
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:05,200
um

970
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,079
that

971
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,560
is worth understanding i mean how could

972
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,000
you not i mean

973
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:11,520
it's just

974
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,079
i i just find it fascinating yeah no

975
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,440
agreed i think a lot of people were

976
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,599
quite happy to see that conversation

977
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,520
happen so i think a lot of people feel

978
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,160
that it it's worth looking into uh one

979
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,119
more question by my mainstream friends

980
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,640
oh my god you're talking about mediums

981
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,200
and hello gary's off the rails oh who

982
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,280
cares shut up

983
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,839
i really don't i don't understand why

984
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,680
people feel that they need to

985
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,440
corral

986
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,240
your thought process uh and what you can

987
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,480
i mean half of them you know go to

988
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,960
church every sunday and

989
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,200
praise some you know some old guy in the

990
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,359
sky sitting on a throne and and then

991
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,320
they're yelling at me

992
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,079
you know i'm sorry

993
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,560
yeah i'm with you 100

994
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,240
um so yeah just one more question if you

995
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,640
don't mind before before we finish um

996
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,880
johnny asks what what did gary mean by

997
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,480
being open when talking about the

998
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,240
hitchhiker effect what are the

999
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,240
foundations of that idea

1000
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,480
and can that be detected in the brain if

1001
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,960
someone is more open

1002
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,560
well

1003
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,599
you know i

1004
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,119
i think

1005
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,520
well the hitchhiker effect is something

1006
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:21,839
that you know happened to a few people

1007
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,990
when the phenomenon seems to occur to

1008
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,680
certain people

1009
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,480
um and then they you know they they

1010
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,240
experienced it at the ranch and then

1011
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:36,079
they go home

1012
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,200
um

1013
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:38,720
and then they start experiencing it at

1014
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,480
home and other people at home see it

1015
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,640
i just find that interesting and i i

1016
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,560
happen to know the family that this

1017
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,320
happened to and i visited their house

1018
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,200
and i you know i've seen the stuff that

1019
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,280
they that they drew

1020
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,200
of what it is that they saw i mean i

1021
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,000
haven't seen this what they saw

1022
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,240
you know and it's very credible and it

1023
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,480
scared the bejesus out of them

1024
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:03,520
so

1025
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:07,119
you know it's it's an experience

1026
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,480
do i necessarily

1027
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,320
believe

1028
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,000
what they saw

1029
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,320
was real no but i believe that they

1030
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,480
experienced it that's an important

1031
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,160
distinction

1032
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,680
right you know

1033
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,119
i call him you know

1034
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,480
jason

1035
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:25,119
carl velveeta or whatever his name is

1036
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,920
uh

1037
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,839
you know um

1038
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,240
you know he tries to pick up people like

1039
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,040
him try to pick up on these things

1040
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,680
um and you know

1041
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,599
say that i believe this or he believes

1042
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,480
that or you know it's like

1043
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,400
no

1044
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,480
relating the experience that other

1045
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,640
people have had

1046
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,520
um

1047
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,560
i'm not going to demean another person's

1048
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,640
experience

1049
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,599
i'm going to pull it out

1050
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,240
uh and try to understand it and try to

1051
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,560
context it in you know the other things

1052
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,320
that i think are going on

1053
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,640
to try to come up with some

1054
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,560
explanation that explains the

1055
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,400
underpinnings of it

1056
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,079
um

1057
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,760
you know it's

1058
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,960
i mean and

1059
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,200
and why not if

1060
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,680
i am attracted and people like me i

1061
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,680
think are attracted to questions that

1062
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,680
are unanswerable

1063
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,280
i'm not interested in stuff that people

1064
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,560
already know

1065
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,079
it's in a book

1066
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,119
i can find it on wikipedia

1067
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,680
you know i'm interested in things that

1068
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,079
have not been answered

1069
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,040
and so why not

1070
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,599
why not do it why not go after it

1071
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:41,200
because

1072
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:45,040
i i get my jollies out of that moment of

1073
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,880
aha of having seen uh various things and

1074
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,800
putting it together and going wow okay

1075
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,720
that's it

1076
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:54,000
that's all right

1077
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,119
that's great and i think that's what a

1078
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,560
lot of people like about you that you

1079
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,400
you're doing the work you you're putting

1080
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,480
in the time and uh and it's really

1081
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,320
appreciated um so we're just about to

1082
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,920
hit 40 minutes thank you for letting me

1083
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,079
go over slightly i really do appreciate

1084
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,640
it gary um i wish you all the best your

1085
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:11,200
audience keep up the faith you know you

1086
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:11,920
will

1087
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:15,920
your day and uh and yeah take care

1088
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:23,030
well guys thank you so much i really

1089
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,400
appreciate you guys being here and i'm

1090
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,599
sorry if i didn't get around to asking

1091
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,200
all the questions we were very pushed

1092
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,800
for time and but i really appreciate

1093
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,119
gary being here and talking i'm going to

1094
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,720
be back tomorrow where where i'll be

1095
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,640
speaking with uh

1096
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,720
researcher david marla

1097
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,960
who uh i'm absolutely fascinated by his

1098
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,119
work so you can find all my details on

1099
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,720
my social medias all the links are in

1100
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,160
the description

1101
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,000
um yeah guys enjoy the rest of your day

1102
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,839
it's been a very busy one if you look at

1103
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,440
the stuff that came out on the debrief

1104
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,359
today if you haven't seen it go and

1105
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,680
check it out and uh yeah enjoy the rest